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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Aug 26, 2006 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

Almost forgot - I agree 100% PL&F is the best cover band ever. No doubt.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Aug 26, 2006 5:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

The Other Ones, The Dead, Phil and F- yes - they are all grateful dead cover bands in my opinion- that is the first thing I thought after seeing "The Dead" tour a few years back- no Jerry= No Grateful Dead-

I do remember Living Earth- yes good band- but not Timberwolf- Solar Circus- same thing- Some may remember Max Creek- they may still be around- what about Yasgur's Farm- that band had a guitarist that was a Sanatana clone and could match him lick for lick

Phish was a dead cover band at one time, no? Though I have to say I HATE the tunes/shows when Trey plays with Phil- it does not work

Zen Tricksters I saw 18 months ago- very damn good on the dead covers- not so hot writing on their own originals which they play out more

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 26, 2006 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

I miss Jerry as much as anybody. But I also think the music should live in the air. It should be played live and played well. Often wonder why it's okay to go see Herbie Hancock or Keith Jarrett play a Monk tune or a Coltrane number or a Miles Davis number but there are those who decry Phil or Bob who were actually founding members of the band playing these songs with other people. Should McCoy Tyner hang it up and stop playing Coltrane numbers? I miss 'Trane too but I can go see his pianist live.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Aug 26, 2006 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

For me, I am not saying they should not be playing the music- gosh no- re-invent it- have fun- re-arrange- the music is free and will have a life of its own- but the original muse- the cosmic force that forced its way through the band we knew as the grateful dead- has left with Jerry- and God I miss that more than anything- but do I love hearing any dead tune played by anyone....anywhere? Oh yeah baby- my wife called me from a "Cheesburgers in Paradise" restaurant the other afternoon- in the background I could hear an acoustic guitarist playing scarlet begonias..........lovely

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 27, 2006 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

jazz forms allow for greater harmonic, melodic and rythmic possibilities and are more capable of being reinvented every time...although you could say the same about a jam evolving from a GD song (which is what Jer said he ultimately had in mind when he composed) there is still the encumberances of signature lines and preconcieved vocals that instrumental jazz contexts do without

it must be difficult for performers to set aside audience expectations, some who want to hear the song identical to the album, others who want to hear total reinvention, and some that will always demand more more more...a tip of my hat to anyone even willing to try

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 27, 2006 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

I can dig that. Sometimes I get pissed off when somebody screws up a song so much that it's unrecognisable. But what I see Jarrett and other people do is begin in the melody and off they go which is cool and arguably easier in a jaxx context. I have a Richar Davis album where he starts with Charlie Parker's Now's the Time and then for a half hour he's very much in Ornette territory. Quite something. To me, the Dead were always a band that took a jazz approach to rock, blues, pop and roots music which somehow made them the quintessential American band. And like most great jazz bands they were also a dance band. They swung like hell.

It's weird though. I was dead pissed off when the band changed their arrangement of Good Morning Little Schoolgirl even though it suited Bobby's voice and love of Chicago blues more.

As to others doin' the tunes well...I loved Burning Spear's Estimated Prophet and a number of tunes on David Murray's Dark Star album (Esto, Dark Star). I had no expectations of them. But I have heard many incarnations of Duke Ellington's band doing Take the A Train and Sophisticated Lady and even with embellishments it was always essentially the same. But it never seemed stale. And when the great Johnny Hodgees went out on the road by himself (an album that has to be heard to be believed, Hodges at the Sportpalast) he played the Ellington numbers much the way Bobby appraoches Jerry's tunes.

Thing is I love the songs so much that all you have to do is play it well and I'm there. I mean Ratdog did a Mississippi Half Step in Toronto last year that made my heart soar. He played a Ramble On Rose at Massey Hall that had me in tears---which is all I can ask from any musician. If they can do that I'm theirs.

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Poster: doodle Date: Aug 27, 2006 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

Wow! Well said.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 20, 2006 10:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

yes, that is a great post, looking forward to checking out the references

speaking of Massey Hall, caught Art Garfunkel of all people there last winter...at 64 the man can still sing, his band's wonderful use of dynamics in that venue, from a whisper to a roar then back again was unlike any i've experienced

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 27, 2006 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

From 1988-90 I hosted a Grateful Dead event every Friday at Innis College Pub on the University of Toronto Campus. As the thing snowballed and more and more people came to the point where our little pub turned into a weekly dance party spectacular (really when it started it was just eight Heads listening to tapes, drinking beer and playing board games) and people were coming as far away as York University. I met a lot of people then so it's possible I knew that crowd. I got family near Lonsdale now so I'm there a lot. There used to be a coffee shop there where they roasted their own beans and a girl worked in there who was a Deadhead but that was after I moved back from the west Coast in the mid to late nineties.

Soent a lot of the early eighties on the road. Saw my first show on 3/21/81 at the Rainbow Theatre 'cause I was lving in London. First half of the 80's was like that for me. Didn't get hooked into the scene until '87. Movin' around too much. Although I did see the Other Ones (Toronto version) back then. They later became Days of You.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 20, 2006 10:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

good to see so many jazz clubs open up in the last 10 years (and some even staying open), in the 70/80's there was really only Bourbon St. and Georges (both long gone...), saw Ed Bickert more times than i can count, still like to attend Bernie Senensky trio performances, but my fav was Lenny Breau whenever he happened to wander through

also remember several Other Ones attendances, they had the 2 drummer format but don't recall them playing a whole lot of GD, definitely remember them being one of the few TO retro bands of the early 80's

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 28, 2006 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

The whole thing exploded in the late 80's but I'd be hard-pressed to remember any of the band's names. The current Dead cover band that gigs very rarely now is Caution Jam. They too moved towards playing originals. Days of You rarely played any Dead stuff. One New Year's Eve they played Morning Dew, I Know You Rider and Big Railroad. A huge departure for them. When Garcia died the first gig they played aferwards they played Wharf Rat. They were actually my fave band based on sheer musicianship.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 28, 2006 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TimberWolf- Best Dead Cover band ever? Another take!

oooops! Forgot to tell you that Montreal bistro closed suddenly last month. Terrible news as they were the only club that brought American luminaries to town. There is great jazz here and the Festicvals are excellent but a city of this size should be able to support a club that brings Cedar WAlton, Joanne Brakeen an such like to our city. A drag.